[MidoNet] [MidoNet-dev] [MidoNet-user] Slack vs IRC

Jaume Devesa devvesa at gmail.com
Wed Aug 5 06:26:58 UTC 2015


Yup. Let's vote!

On 5 August 2015 at 08:14, Sandro Mathys <sandro at midokura.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Tomohiko Kimura <tomohiko at midokura.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I suggest that we make a decision based on data instead of "this is what
> I
> > think I/other people would do", etc.
>
> The discussion is also hardly making any progress as neither party
> seems to budge. So maybe it really is time to think of other ways to
> settle this debate.
>
> > - If we see more participations from external contributors after the
> > migration to Slack, that seems to me a big plus. But we've gotta be
> careful
> > in judging if it's due to the migration to Slack, or actually due to us
> > becoming more known.
>
> As far as I understood, the concern was rather that a number of
> Midokura developers were not active on IRC but are now active on Slack
> - and that they would again not join us on IRC.
>
> The number of active non-Midokura contributors remains small and I
> don't think we have data to show the difference of the move in
> numbers.
>
> Also, this decision won't only affect contributors but also users.
>
> > - It sounds too optimistic to me to think that switching back to IRC
> would
> > dramatically reduce the entry bar to near 0.
> >
> > So, in the worst case, why don't we run both Slack and IRC for a limited
> > period of time, say 3 to 6 months? For sure that'll be added complexity /
> > maintenance cost, but it seems like worth paying if migration to IRC
> really
> > helps grow our OS community.
>
> Interesting idea but let's be realistic. It might be possible to
> accommodate users on both at some extra cost but splitting up
> developers would be very inefficient. So we would still have to decide
> on where development related communication is supposed to happen. We
> also can't do meetings on both at the same time. Or promote both
> equally.
>
> So maybe we should start a poll and invite all mailing lists
> subscribers and Slack members to it - that's currently 175 unique
> email addresses (however, some seem to have registered using more than
> one address). We could use Cornell University's Condorcet Internet
> Voting Service [0] and send everyone a personal link/code to vote.
>
> -- Sandro
>
> [0] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/
>
>
> > My 2 cents,
> > Tomohiko
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Michael Ford <mike at midokura.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Guys,
> >>
> >> We can go back and forth on this but we had almost zero activity when we
> >> were using IRC and that includes us as Mido's.  We seemed to gain
> traction
> >> when we went to Slack.   Can anyone let me know why Mido's were having
> no
> >> activity when we had IRC?  We see IRC as "the thing to do" not because
> of
> >> useful features.  You can get most of the features you want in slack
> with
> >> better message archiving.
> >>
> >> If we went back to the way it was before with no one using it that would
> >> be pretty bad.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ernest Artiaga <ernest at midokura.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Ivan Kelly <ivan at midokura.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>  backtrace history for all users,
> >>>>
> >>>>  Only up to 10k messages it seems
> >>>>
> >>>>> easy channel discovery,
> >>>>
> >>>> Normally when I want to ask people questions about an open source
> >>>> project in real time, I'll go to my IRC client which I already have
> open,
> >>>> and connected to freenode and do /j #projectname. This normally
> works. When
> >>>> it doesn't work, I give up. I suspect it's similar for other people
> also.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> easy signup,
> >>>>
> >>>> As opposed to no signup.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For me, this is a clear advantage. When I want to know about an open
> >>> source, I prefer lurking a bit, having a look at the mailing list
> archives,
> >>> forums or any other open media that does not require signing up. If I
> have
> >>> to sign up, probably I'll give up.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When we were on IRC previously, we had an issue of many of our
> >>>>> contributors not participating. When we moved to Slack, we saw a
> dramatic
> >>>>> uptake in activity.  I am afraid that moving back to IRC will lower
> >>>>> community adoption.
> >>>>
> >>>> People are only going to have any midonet specific chat open if a)
> they
> >>>> have the client open all the time already or b) work almost
> exclusively with
> >>>> midonet. For a), i think much more people will have IRC open,
> especially
> >>>> since for linux slack requires a tab to itself for each team. For the
> latter
> >>>> crowd, they'll use whatever the majority of the rest are.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Many of the existing MidoNet devs and users are already using Slack
> for
> >>>>> their work, and we've heard no major complaints.
> >>>>
> >>>> Slack sucks <- here's one :)
> >>>> Especially if you use linux.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You have a second one. Slack experience is a real pain in linux :-)
> >>>
> >>>  Ernest
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Michael Ford
> >> Main: 888.512.0460
> >> Fax: 626.228.3551
> >> Cell: 925.548.6667
> >> Email: mike at midokura.com
> >> Cotap: http://cotap.me/michaelford
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Jaume Devesa
Software Engineer at Midokura
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